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Trade for new drivetrain

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Hi, I am in need of a new drivetrain for my 63 convertible. As I am probably one of the youngest people on here, I don't have enough money to outright buy a rebuilt drivetrain, but I do have a 1946 Whizzer Special freshly restored up for grabs. I am located in Puyallup Washington and will travel to pick one up within reason (Idaho, Oregon).

I've spent over a year trouble shooting my current disaster to no avail. Many long time Corvair mechanics have poked at it and always came short of anything. I don't want my car to just sit and rot in my garage where it will eventually become a glorified storage unit.

Any leads or help is appreciated. I'm not afraid of abandoning this community for a mustang at this point.

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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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Corvairs aren't that complicated. I can't imagine that any long time Corvair mechanic couldn't figure it out.
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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Have a watched some YouTube videos on your car?

What is the current situation with it. What issues are you trying to solve with the drivetrain swap. Give us a chance there is a ton of knowledge to draw from here.
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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Yes!
As said, post a vit of what's going wrong and these folks will point you in the right direction

Killer bike BTW! :tu: that is something i wouldn't part with easly. If you have the tools and ability the Corvair is not hard to work on. Take it one step at a time. Before you know it you have learned new skills and understand the car much more
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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This is graffet first post here.

I have to wonder how many long time Corvair mechanics there are near Puyallup to really poke at it. I know for myself the most I could muster up for free would be to stop by and give some direction. The last thing I want to do on my day off from working on Corvairs is work on more Corvairs.
We tried to muster up a "Corvair Cavalry" in Corvair Minnesota but the only volunteers we got were getting too old to really work on them anymore so the idea sort of petered out.
I'm not familiar with what Corvair clubs are out there. There's some good Corvair guys in Washington, Oregon and Idaho but it seems like they're sort of spread out.

It's slim pickings out there for a Corvair engine for cheap that you can just install and drive away. Something cheap may just come with a new set of problems.
I'm trying to make something useful out of all the Corvair engines and stuff I've accumulated. Even ones that I can get running and fix a few things like oil leaks start at $600 and quickly rise over $1000 as time isn't cheap. The ones I'm pecking at now require internal parts and Machine Shop work which quickly get more expensive still, let's say $3000 and beyond. It's cheaper when someone has their own components like carburetors to transfer on but that may be where your current problems lie.
One trouble is that a Corvair engine that was running fine when it was removed from a rusty or crashed Corvair was maybe removed 20, 30, 40 years ago. Time flies when you're having fun.

One can often work through the engine they've got. Work on carburetors and ignition can transfer to another engine if worse comes to worse. I'm sure we would be able to lend advice but it's all pretty vague so far.

Matt Nall on the Corvair Center forum was selling a few engines in Coos Bay, Oregon. He's a good guy but another one who can't really work on them anymore or ride a Whizzer. I haaven't seen Matt on this forum so you'd have to look over there.

I don't know if you'll find a good running Mustang for cheap either. Maybe, I've just never looked at them. The idea seems like you're poking at us with a sharp stick.

I'm sorry to sound so jaded. I hope it works out for you and we're happy to help if we can but there's only so much we can do from here. Like any friendship it takes a while to develop.
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Matt's engines are gone.
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Had a pair of good running 80hp engines complete with Powerglides still connected to them. Tried to give them away. No one wanted them. Off to scrap they went along with many other good, usable parts. Can't keep it all.
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jimbrandberg wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:48 am This is graffet first post here.
Jim - Hard to say with graffet, but he says "Any leads or help is appreciated. I'm not afraid of abandoning this community for a mustang at this point." Sounds like someone not committed to the Corvair.

The local Corvair club wised up to new arrivals saying they "loved the Corvair and wanted help". As soon as club members got the "newbies" Corvair running the "newbie" sold the Corvair and were never heard from again!!!! Now the club is less "generous" until they see folks stick around for awhile.
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66vairguy says,

"The local Corvair club wised up to new arrivals saying they "loved the Corvair and wanted help". As soon as club members got the "newbies" Corvair running the "newbie" sold the Corvair and were never heard from again!!!! Now the club is less "generous" until they see folks stick around for awhile."

Had one of those has well. Roughly twenty years ago, used to belong to a North San Diego County Corvair club called: Coyote Corvair. Anyway, a local individual came by for a couple Saturday meetings to ask questions concerning his Corvair. Finally showed up with his car one Saturday. Amazing that it ran. All of us gave a helping hand. It needed a tune-up, blower bearing, repaired numerous oil leaks, changed out axle bearings, replaced worn out brakes, etc. Me? I rebuilt the entire front suspension for the guy, never charged him a penny. After all that work, he stopped coming to the meetings. Found out a couple weeks later he sold the car. Nice.
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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Wow you guys are sure rolling out the welcome mat. I keep an eye on the r/Corvairs on RedIt and Ty has posted there quite a bit about this car. He has been working hard on the car for a while and is member of his local Corvair club. He has been posting some videos on YouTube under Ty's Corvair Garage and mentions that he has helped some other club members with their cars. From what I can tell he has reached a frustration point with the project for which I can sure understand having run into the same thing over the years.

Hopefully he will give us some more info and has not been scared off. I bet we can get him pointed in the right direction weather that is a new drivetrain or a solution to the issues he is fighting with the current setup.
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I didn't mean to be that way. I don't know what Redit is, I'm not hip to the modern world.
I hope he comes back and perseveres.
So what seems to be the matter? Can't get it running good? More than one thing maybe?
I'm fortunate to have good components I can swap in for troubleshooting.
I certainly understand the frustration of trying to get past a difficult problem.
I'm happy to try and help reason through things if I can and there's a lot of other folks here who know a lot more than I do.
Looks like a nice car from what I can see. I love the color.
Again I'm sorry for coming off unfriendly and what seems to be the trouble?
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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SpyderMan,

I, for one, do not hang around social media sites; have no idea who Ty is; nor ever heard of Ty's Corvair Garage. Ty could've been a bit more explicit about supposed issues with his Corvair.
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jimbrandberg wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:48 am This is graffet first post here.

I have to wonder how many long time Corvair mechanics there are near Puyallup to really poke at it. I know for myself the most I could muster up for free would be to stop by and give some direction. The last thing I want to do on my day off from working on Corvairs is work on more Corvairs.
We tried to muster up a "Corvair Cavalry" in Corvair Minnesota but the only volunteers we got were getting too old to really work on them anymore so the idea sort of petered out.
I'm not familiar with what Corvair clubs are out there. There's some good Corvair guys in Washington, Oregon and Idaho but it seems like they're sort of spread out.

It's slim pickings out there for a Corvair engine for cheap that you can just install and drive away. Something cheap may just come with a new set of problems.
I'm trying to make something useful out of all the Corvair engines and stuff I've accumulated. Even ones that I can get running and fix a few things like oil leaks start at $600 and quickly rise over $1000 as time isn't cheap. The ones I'm pecking at now require internal parts and Machine Shop work which quickly get more expensive still, let's say $3000 and beyond. It's cheaper when someone has their own components like carburetors to transfer on but that may be where your current problems lie.
One trouble is that a Corvair engine that was running fine when it was removed from a rusty or crashed Corvair was maybe removed 20, 30, 40 years ago. Time flies when you're having fun.

One can often work through the engine they've got. Work on carburetors and ignition can transfer to another engine if worse comes to worse. I'm sure we would be able to lend advice but it's all pretty vague so far.

Matt Nall on the Corvair Center forum was selling a few engines in Coos Bay, Oregon. He's a good guy but another one who can't really work on them anymore or ride a Whizzer. I haaven't seen Matt on this forum so you'd have to look over there.


I don't know if you'll find a good running Mustang for cheap either. Maybe, I've just never looked at them. The idea seems like you're poking at us with a sharp stick.

I'm sorry to sound so jaded. I hope it works out for you and we're happy to help if we can but there's only so much we can do from here. Like any friendship it takes a while to develop.

I trailered it to the Corvairs northwest club tune up and they spent 5 hours messing with the distributor then told me to get new throttle levers for the bottom part of each carb. Low and behold I got them and nothing changed. car doesn't smoke and gets 100-110 compression all around. the current engine was "rebuilt" in the 90's according to the previous owner's daughter. the previous owner had to give the car up because he got dementia and was moving to assisted living. the car was a disaster when I got it and would not be surprised if he was the one who "rebuilt" the engine. the differential was messed up to where the car would try and jump into the next lane whenever I let off the accelerator, it would never idle properly until recently when I finally found the correct distributor and readjusted the valves. it ran perfectly for about 20 miles when i was on the freeway and it just lost a ton of power and was impossible to drive. I've had this car for 2 years now and have poured about $8,000 into it not including purchasing it to begin with. I've replaced multiple timing and ignition parts trying to solve the issue, but parts quality is shit these days. nothing me or anyone in the club can figure it out and I'm losing faith and it's just not any fun anymore. I'm 21 years old and in college for welding and have no money and finding a welding job might seem easy but it's a nightmare in Washington, too many people need welders but want you to have 30 years of experience and can weld perfect beads with your left foot blindfolded while playing grand master level chess and winning. I will post a video of the car driving like crap when I get a chance, thanks for any help. can confirm its not fuel delivery or the distributor, points/condenser, or coil, they are all lined up correctly.
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graffet wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:13 pm

I trailered it to the Corvairs northwest club tune up and they spent 5 hours messing with the distributor then told me to get new throttle levers for the bottom part of each carb. Low and behold I got them and nothing changed. car doesn't smoke and gets 100-110 compression all around. the current engine was "rebuilt" in the 90's according to the previous owner's daughter. the previous owner had to give the car up because he got dementia and was moving to assisted living. the car was a disaster when I got it and would not be surprised if he was the one who "rebuilt" the engine. the differential was messed up to where the car would try and jump into the next lane whenever I let off the accelerator, it would never idle properly until recently when I finally found the correct distributor and readjusted the valves. it ran perfectly for about 20 miles when i was on the freeway and it just lost a ton of power and was impossible to drive. I've had this car for 2 years now and have poured about $8,000 into it not including purchasing it to begin with. I've replaced multiple timing and ignition parts trying to solve the issue, but parts quality is shit these days. nothing me or anyone in the club can figure it out and I'm losing faith and it's just not any fun anymore. I'm 21 years old and in college for welding and have no money and finding a welding job might seem easy but it's a nightmare in Washington, too many people need welders but want you to have 30 years of experience and can weld perfect beads with your left foot blindfolded while playing grand master level chess and winning. I will post a video of the car driving like crap when I get a chance, thanks for any help. can confirm its not fuel delivery or the distributor, points/condenser, or coil, they are all lined up correctly.
It's sad you don't have someone in the area with some Corvair "Smarts". When I was 21 I new very little about fixing up cars, had no space, and not much money so projects were "modest".

Anyway ---- Since you had the car running well, THEN SUDDENLY LOST A LOT OF POWER it seems like something changed suddenly. Does the car still idle O.K? Since you put in a new distributor I would check the timing as more than once a distributor has "slipped" after installation, or setting the timing.

The obvious basic things to do are check the engine and transaxle lube. Check the throttle linkage (A Corvair will run surprising well on just one carburetor (3 cylinders), but will be down on power. If timing is good, then I'd check compression again.

Let us know what you find.
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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Well to get started I don't know what to say about the differential causing a change in direction. Anyone got anything?

If it was running okay for a little while until something changed again it might be cause for encouragement. Any thoughts on what maybe changed? Any chance something simple like the distributor hold-down was loose and the timing changed? Or maybe the point gap changed?

What HP engine do you have? PG or Manual transmission?

I'm thinking "new throttle levers" might be throttle shafts?
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Re: Trade for new drivetrain

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For changing lanes the only thing that comes mind would be training arm bushings that allow the toe to change. I don't know if this would change the toe enough or not. It would make a lot of noise if they were that loose. For the loss of power, cam timing comes to mind. If the gears were out of time since the engine was assembled then it would not have run good for a little while and then changed back. My thought is a crank or cam gear moving. If the crank gear turned you could remove the oil pan and check the cam timing gear mark against the block seam it see if it is off. If the cam gear slipped the timing mark would still be correct it the cam wouldn't be. The cam timing would need to be checked to find this. 66vairguy, since you don't know the people that were at the Corvairs Northwest tune up day you shouldn't say that no one in the area has Corvair "smarts".
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