Turbo Tech: Dial in that AFR with Water-Methanol Injection

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Turbo Tech: Dial in that AFR with Water-Methanol Injection

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The "test mule" is the '62 Spyder with a '65 engine. OT20 cam, stock 140 heads and Mikuni HSR45 with F/B turbo. The WMI system uses (2) 2gph nozzles - one mounted on the intake pad of each head. The programmable controller varies the duty cycle of the RACE (fast acting solenoid) valves to control how much water-methanol is spraying based on RPM and Boost.
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This is the WMI system diagram (1.5gph nozzles replaced with 2gph nozzles)
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System Diagram.JPG
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The engine was recently freshened up a bit with forged +40 pistons/full fin cylinders and the 140 heads were added.

Background details on this corvair center link: Turbo Engine Rebuild - Phase 1 complete & Phase 2 plans

The dramatic increase in head flow requires tuning the WMI system to keep the AFRs in a safe region especially at 9.2:1 compression. The 2 graphs shown below provide a record of how the AFRs are being dialed in by changing the duty cycle in the respective boost region. Boost runs are being limited to 10psi until the engine has a few more miles on it. Work continues.
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.Graph 1 shows AFRs a bit high in the lower boost region with AFR coming towrds the desired 12.2 around 8psi.
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Mar 2 2024 AFR vs Boost small.jpg
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.Graph 2 shows two different test days. Mar 6 results were a little better but still off. Mar 8 results look much better with less variance.
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Mar 8 2024 AFR vs Boost small.jpg
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Next test will be a little less spraying in the 1-7psi range and keep the 8-10psi range the same. The waste gate is currently set for 13psi max but the programmable controller also manages max boost. The previous engine was regularly hitting 18-19psi. Not sure yet if that wastegate will be slowly turned up, up, up. :evil:
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Re: Turbo Tech: Dial in that AFR with Water-Methanol Injection

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Chances are good that 19psi with your small valve heads feels pretty close to 10psi with your 140 heads... is this why you are hesitating to turning the boost up :tu: :tu: :tu: Heck of a job so far
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Re: Turbo Tech: Dial in that AFR with Water-Methanol Injection

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@Nashfan, you always know how to poke the otter. :nono: I'm not falling for that "turn it up" at least no yet.

Actually, my buttdyno has determined just what you mention. The over 50% more air flow with the big valve heads does indeed feel like more power at less boost like 9-10psi (where the small valve heads need 16-18psi). When the cam+heads start coming into play together at ~8psi, the boost seems to get a more agressive ramp up.

Reference this big valve vs small valve air flow chart.
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CFM air flow 140 vs 110.jpg
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Yes it "probably" a real good idea to at least get it broke in little before turning up the boost. NAW, come on, DO IT :tu: :tu: :tu: TeeHeeHee
Boost is addicting isnt it?
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This is cool. You always do such a great job of documenting your progress and sharing it!
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thanks for the kind words @chris.

Well, I do believe the AFRs for 0-10psi are nicely dialed in. The graph shows results from a "rejected" control map on 9-Mar (slightly high AFR) and also shows 2 results from 10-Mar and 13-Mar that put the AFRs in the ZONE! The dotted straight lines at 11.5 and 12.2 are the desired AFR zone.
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AFR vs Boost Retry.jpg
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This next graph is a plot generated by the WMI controller that shows the (blue line) duty cycle for WMI and AFR (orange) vs boost from 0-10psi.
The WMI duty cycle does not follow a straight line ramp-up and the highest duty cycle is 41% so far. The next set of tests will be to get data in the 10-13psi range. :cool:
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Mar13 AFR vs Boost smaller.jpg
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You number cruncher dude! :woo: Great work.
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