Hidden vin locations!

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Hidden vin locations!

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First is em hidden vin location. Behind the front crossmember on the driver side.

Next is lm location. Behind the crossmember on the passenger side.


EARLY MODEL (EM)

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LATE MODEL (LM)

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1966 Corsa convertible, 140, 4sp.
1965 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.

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Thought I would ad this to try and keep all in one area. :)

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1966 Corsa convertible, 140, 4sp.
1965 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.

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Thank you for posting that. It's good to know exactly where to look. :tu:
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More info for future searchers.

Here are my hidden VIN location photos for USA built 65-69 coupes and sedans.
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65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
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66 Monza Convertible 140/4
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T/5

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Looking at the body tag in the engine bay. Can someone assist in identifying the info?
105676W127148, thanks in advance!

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1966 Monza Convertible built at Willow Run and 27,148th Corvair car built in that model year at that plant.

http://1969corvair.com/techpages/Corvai ... _VINs.html
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65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza Convertible 110/4
66 Monza Convertible 140/4
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T/5

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zepplloyd wrote: » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:43 am

Looking at the body tag in the engine bay. Can someone assist in identifying the info?
105676W127148, thanks in advance!
105676W127148
Chevrolet (1) Corvair Monza (05) 2-Door Convertible (67) 1966 (6) Willow Run (W) S/N: 127148
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Sample Engine Compartment VIN Tag


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Sample Engine Compartment Body Tag
This body tag is from a 1966 Corvair Corsa Coupe that was produced in the Van Nuys, California plant during the third week in December 1965. The car had a black interior with bucket seats that were fitted with optional headrests. The body was painted Chateau Slate, and the engine was turbocharged.

Body Build Date 12C — 12 (December 1965), C (Third Week), from a 1966 (66) Chevrolet (1) Corvair Corsa 10700 Series (07) 2-Door Sport Coupe, 4-Passenger (37) produced at the Los Angeles (Van Nuys) plant (LOS), Production No. 773, TRIM 758-Z Monza/Corsa Series with Bucket Seats/Black Interior (758), -Z (The extra digit denotes whether the car has optional headrests or not. E = headrests on bench or bucket seat cars built in WRN in 1966 and bench in1967. Y = headrests on bucket seat cars built in Los Angeles or buckets built in WRN in 1967. Z = Corvair trim designator on LA built cars only.) SLATE (Chateau Slate) Paint (W-W), 4O ACC = Accessory line Group 4, O = RPO L87 — Turbocharged Engine


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Here is another example — this one from an Early Model — 1963 Corvair Spyder Convertible...
VIN - EM Corvair Passenger Car VIN Tag Decoding.jpg
30967W108120
1963 (3) Corvair Monza (09) 2-Door Convertible (67) Willow Run (W) S/N: 108120

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Beers wrote:At least with the crossmember out I got to see that the body VIN matches :tu:

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I am buying a 66 coupe with a vin tag 107376L102321 but the body tag is MISSING 😳😢 Is there a way to find out what would have been on the tag and purchase a replacement??!!🙏
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107376L102321

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There is some overlap in the Information in the Body Tag and the VIN Tag, such as the make and model, model year, production assembly plant, and you can possibly determine the original paint and interior colors and applicable codes from observation, as well as the ACC Line options included in your car (assuming that subsequent owners did not change or add those options to your Corvair after production). Some body tag info, like the production month and week, were only recorded on the body tag and that information is likely lost.

I have not heard of anyone reproducing body tags to order.

1966 Fisher bodytags ACC line. (WRN and LOS)
The Letters are listed in groups. Letters following a number is in that group. The code letters are listed in the order they would appear. Some letters are in more than one group
Most 1965 codes carried over to 1966 unchanged. (New std equip eliminated some codes)

First Group ( no numeric indicator)
E = RPO A01 Tinted Glass ( Soft Ray glass in all windows)
D = RPO C06 Power Top (Manual top standard, no indicator)
W = RPO A02 Tinted Windshield only
O = Two tone paint trimpiece ( sedans only)
L = folding rear seat (500 series only)

2 = Second Group
M = RPO M35 Powerglide Automatic
E = RPO C60 Air Conditioning
R = RPO U80 Rear speaker
S = RPO U73 Rear ant.
T = RPO U75 Power Rear antenna
H = Heater delete

3 = Third Group
A = Rear armrest (500 series sedans)

4 = Fourth Group
O = RPO L87 Turbo engine
F = Remote outside mirror / updated CC group (lighting grp, door guards)

5 = Fifth Group
Y = RPO A49 Deluxe Seatbelts ( Stainless Steel Push-button Buckles)
O = Seatbelt delete? ( No cars found with this code, but may carry over from 65)
? = Shoulder harness
*Standard seatbelts, old CC group and padded dash are now standard. So C in group three, P in group four and W in group five no longer listed. Also 4spd transmission no longer listed, with the introduction of the new Saginaw transmission. Rear seatbelts are also now STD. Willow Run cars had the ACC codes all on one line.
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My '67 Monza coupe's VIN hidden behind the crossmember and the matching number in the engine room.


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erco wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:54 pm
My '67 Monza coupe's VIN hidden behind the crossmember and the matching number in the engine room.
Always nice to see those two match! Sadly, I've found a few that don't.
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65 Monza 4DR EJ20T/5

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Who else would know, besides you and the guy who riveted the rear plate on? Do you just bolt the crossmember back on and sell the car?

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So from what I am getting from this is the metal body itself does not have a VIN stamped in it. As long as a person found the correct rivets and rivet gun they could swap the VIN tag, front cross member, and engine compartment body tag and short of actually finding discrepancy between options no one would be able to tell they did it? Is this correct?
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Deadwolf wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:54 am
So from what I am getting from this is the metal body itself does not have a VIN stamped in it. As long as a person found the correct rivets and rivet gun they could swap the VIN tag, front cross member, and engine compartment body tag and short of actually finding discrepancy between options no one would be able to tell they did it? Is this correct?
No. The "hidden VIN" is hidden by the front cross member but is not on a part you can unbolt or swap easily. The hidden VIN is stamped into the frame rail and is an integral part of the body.

With enough financial motivation, anyone with bad intentions can figure out a way to swap a VIN and not get caught selling a stolen car or hiding salvage title history. The welded on tags, roset rivets and hidden VINs were the best trick of the day to help prevent VIN and title fraud.

Few people buying a car will check the hidden VIN and most have no reason to. If a seller is telling me they have a genuine 66 Corsa vert with factory A/C, you can be sure I'm looking all that over with a magnifying glass.

I've had two cars brought in from other states that had inspections go sideways. They go through a physical inspection at the DMV here in Arizona. Any sign that something isn't right and they will get scrutinized big time when they make you take the car to the state police garage for a Level III inspection. If anything is out of whack or they feel there is fraud when numbers don't match up, it could be the last time you see your car. I got both of those cars cleared but one now carries a "Restored Salvage" title which lowers the value and sometimes limits how much comp insurance coverage you can get. That car had a "washed" title and when I took the seller to court I found out he had already been arrested for doing the same thing to someone else.
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65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza Convertible 110/4
66 Monza Convertible 140/4
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T/5

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erco wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:43 am
Who else would know, besides you and the guy who riveted the rear plate on? Do you just bolt the crossmember back on and sell the car?
You could do that but if the new owner finds out he bought a VIN swapped car from you it will be up to you to prove you didn't know about it or actually have anything to do with it.
Dave W. from Gilbert, AZ
65 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4
66 Corsa 140/4 w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza Convertible 110/4
66 Monza Convertible 140/4
65 Monza 4DR 140/PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T/5

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