Help Identifying Wheels

[Rotary FP46]

One of the more widely-scattered categories of items here is wheels. Some are going to be a bit obscure. Some, like the Appliance Wire Mags on the autocross car, will be more recognizable (Thanks again, Scott). Hoping for a bit of help with identifying the maker and proper name for each of these.

I will post front and back photos of each. Will add details (measurements, names, composition) as they become available. The list of wheels will grow as I get them excavated from the stacks.


1) Slotted Mags

Set of (4).
These are 13" in diameter and 7" wide.
These have a backspacing (outside - without the spacer) of 4-29/64".
These have a backspacing (outside - with the spacer) of 4-49-64".
These have a backspacing (inside) of 3-2/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-3/4".


Possibilities:
Western Superstar Dish Mag
M/T Rader Indy
Keystone T-Slot
Keystone Dish Mag

Ruled Out:
Western - U.S. Indy (The set on-hand not drilled for screw-on wheel centers.)
Shelby Cal 500 (The set on-hand not drilled for screw-on wheel centers.)
Rader DBR-200-I (Not produced in 13x7.)
Progressive 11-Series Dish (Not produced in 13x7.)
Pos-A-Traction Dish (Not produced in 13x7.)
Motor Rim & Wheel One Piece Dish Mag (The set on-hand not drilled for screw-on wheel centers.)
Modern Dish (Not produced in 13x7).


Currently wearing a meaty (and old) set of German Phoenix 3011 Stahlflex 235/60VR13 tires.


I think this was originally the outward-facing side, but that my father installed spacers and ran them inside-out. For the purposes of this thread, we'll call this the outside.

And for the same purposes, we'll call this the inside.

2)Shelby Diamondback

Set of (4).
(2) are 14" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-58/64".
(2) are 14" in diameter, 6" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-53/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-3/4" & 4-1/2" (elongated slots).


Possibilities:
Shelby Diamondback

Ruled Out:

3) Wire Mag Look-Alikes

Set of (4).
All are 13" in diameter, 5-1/2" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-13/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-3/4".

There are differences between the rear faces on these and on the rear faces in the Appliance Wire Mags on the autocross car. Photos of that set can be found here: viewtopic.php?p=149543#p149543

Will continue to research the possible manufacturers.


Possibilities:
Western Superstar Wire Mag

Ruled Out:
Appliance Wire Mags (Different inboard hub face; wheel lacks markings found on 14" Appliance wire mags)
Western U.S. Wire (The set on-hand not drilled for screw-on wheel centers.)
Superior Superdrag 1 (Not produced in 13 x 5-1/2".)

4) Libre-Style Wheels

Set of (4).
All are 13" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-60/64".
Bolt pattern is 4 on 4-1/2" and 110 mm (elongated slots).

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Possibilities:
Shelby Liebre
Modern Four Star

Ruled Out:
Western - U.S. Trans-Am (Not made in 13x7.)
Pos-A-Traction Libre-Styled (Not produced in 13x7.)

5)Unknown

Set of (4).
All are 15" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-17/64"
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-1/2".


Possibilities:

Ruled Out:

6) Compomotive TF Series / Tyre Fryer

Very wide, but crushingly lightweight. I remember him modifying the template for one of these with a die grinder back in the 90's.

Set of (4).
All are 13" in diameter, 7-7/8" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-56/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-3/4".
These appear unused.

7) Western Wheel "Superlite"

There are (6) of these.

(2) are 15" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-60/64".
These two are stamped "AC139 86 OZ".

(4) are 15" in diameter, 8.5" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-59/64".
These two appear to be stamped "AM278".

Bolt pattern is 5 on 5" and 4-3/4" (elongated slots).

8) Compomotive CX350

Set of (4).
(2) are 13" in diameter, 6-7/8" wide, and have a backspacing of 4-8/64"
(2) are 13" in diameter, 6-3/4" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-12/64".
Bolt pattern is 4 on 4-1/2".

9) Western Cyclone

Set of (2).
Both are 13" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 2-59/64".
Bolt pattern is 4 on 108 mm.
These are stamped "AD1481".

10) Cragar S/S

Set of (2).
Both are 13" in diameter, 5-1/2" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-4/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-1/2".


According to Carlstar (Cragar) Customer Service:

"Those we’re from the very first year that Bell Auto made the parts to build the Cragar S/S. The story was told to me that they concept of the Cragar S/S was thought up in 1964 and the first wheels were built in 1965.


Cragar 13” S/S

Wheel Part# - 61513

Rim Size – 13 x 5.5

Bolt Pattern - 4x4,4.25,110,4.5

Offset – 0

Rear Spacing – 3.25”

Shipping Weight – 18 lbs.

Lug Nut Type – Mag

Shank Length - .800

Cap Part# 29025"

[caraholic4life]

#3 appears to be the Appliance Wire Mag wheel.
#4 appears to be the American 200S Daisy wheel.
#5 reminds me of a late '70's Camaro wheel but I don't think it actually is one.
#7 appears to be a Western Superlite wheel. (Looks kind of like a Minilite wheel)

[Torskdoc423]

#4 & #7 were popular with the early Datsun 510 & 240z owners.

The 510 had IRS very similar to the LM.

[Wittsend]

#4 are "Libre" wheels - and yes, popular on Datsuns. Same bolt pattern as Corvair (earlies). I have a set of 13" on my 510.

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[sethracer]

4- American Racing Equipment "Libre" (200-S were 5-spoke and 5-lug)
6- Compomotive "Tyre Fryer" (English)
7- Western Minilite look-a-likes "Superlite"(I am pretty sure)
8- Compomotive "Graku" (English)

I have owned Sets of almost all of those at times. And Many, many more!

[caraholic4life]

It appears I learned something about wheels too....Regarding #4, I was positive they were the Daisy 200S wheel but was unaware that they were only available in five lug.

[vairmech]

I would be interested to know if you have 4 of these and if they are 13's and the width. The width can be measured over the outside or in between the bead surfaces, I just need to know which way you measured.

[sethracer]

Carroll Shelby Wheels sold a 13 x 6" version of the "Western Wheel/Minilite" style called the Europa. It was never available in any 5-bolt pattern. (As I recall). In the "olden" days, before litigation became so widespread, they happily sold me a set of un-drilled Wheels. I had them drilled to 5 on 4.75" for my Corvair. (This was 30 years before my "Bridgeport" adoption.) I pulled them when the tires died and 13" tires almost disappeared from the market. There used to be a couple of really good Corvair sizes available - the 195/70-13 from the GM J-car and the 205/70-13 from the early FWD X-cars. Both were great on a 6" wide wheel. That set of Europas wandered off into the market, probably at a Palm Springs Fan Belt toss/swap meet. Turn a set of Maxxis whitewalls around, those wheels would still be looking great on a Corvair. "Minilites" on a budget.

[texas yenko dude 199]

Seth,

Curtis Wood had a set of undrilled Europas too and had Schardt drill them for him. He had them on YS-022.

[sethracer]

I knew there was at least one other set of the Europas out there! They are a period correct style wheel for the late 60s. (Minilite-ish for us "dollar-compromised" at the time) If not for tire availability - or lack of it - I might still run them. I have tried talking to companies about selling various un-drilled wheels, now that I am equipped to drill - or redrill - bolt patterns. They do not want to discuss it - although I suspect if I spoke Mandarin, it might be possible. Now that I have re-drilled (and inserted) several sets of 120mm BMW wheels to the Corvair 4.75" pattern, it seems like it would be quite easy to drill a "virgin" wheel. (no sexual innuendos intended)! I prowl the local FB marketplace ads for the early 5-bolt BMW wheels. Nice BMW forgings and easy to change over. Some easy tooling makes the difference!

[Rotary FP46]

More details added.

Two more sets photographed and posted.

Measurements taken according to this reference posted by Bryan Blackwell back in 2020:
http://autoxer.skiblack.com/tires.html

Need to get my hands on a set of bolt pattern gauges - even if only for the wheels with elongated bolt holes.

[caraholic4life]

In fifty plus years, I have only seen one pair of 13" Cragar SS wheels. If memory serves me correctly, I think they were on an early model... The 13" Cragar is indeed something that is not easy to find in any condition. JMO

[joelsplace]

Probably because they rust and corrode away. That's what happened to the ones I've had and I don't live in the rust belt.
I've only had 14 and 15"

[Rotary FP46]

Probably because they rust and corrode away. That's what happened to the ones I've had and I don't live in the rust belt.
I've only had 14 and 15"

I've been reading that a lot about the S/S's.

I asked the folks at Cragar about having these re-chromed. This was their reply:

"According to our Product Manager, you can have it refinished by a company called Perfect Custom Made Wheels, located at 16516 S Western Ave, Gardena, CA 90247. You can contact them at (310) 819-6752 or (310) 538-5046."

[Torskdoc423]

In fifty plus years, I have only seen one pair of 13" Cragar SS wheels. If memory serves me correctly, I think they were on an early model... The 13" Cragar is indeed something that is not easy to find in any condition. JMO

Chris Shade has a '64 Yellow Spyder for sale with the Cragar's on it. I was seriously thinking about this one 1st, but got the Monza because wife can't drive a stick.

[Rotary FP46]

11) Appliance Slotted Mags

There are (2) of these.
All are 13" in diameter, 5.5" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-19/64"
Bolt pattern is 4 on 4-1/2".

Possibilities:
Appliance (There is a sticker on the bell bearing that name.)

Ruled Out:
Per Spec Dish Mags (The set on-hand not drilled for screw-on wheel centers.)
Pacer SS 500 Mag Wheels


12) American Vector

Set of (4).
All are 15" in diameter, 7" wide, and have a backspacing of 3-42/64".
Bolt pattern is 5 on 4-3/4".
Not sure what they were originally fitted to. These were drilled out for use on a 1979 Chevrolet G10 through the use of Roto-Lugs.