Clutch Noise (Flywheel) Replacement. Now with more pics!

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bbodie52 wrote::angry: It is frustrating when human error creeps in to your plans, but Clark's has been doing a good job at supporting Corvair owners since the early 1970s and errors like this are pretty uncommon. There is a lot of work involved with your clutch replacement. I would suggest giving Clark's a little time to make things right. Then you can complete your work and it will be done right.

Please keep us updated and let us know how Clark's responds to try to make this right!
Yeah I'm going to wait. I have to tell you that being in the industry, I completely understand when things like this happen it's just aggravating because it seems like it always happens to me. For instance, I put a transmission in my 03 avalanche from a very reputable high performance transmission builder, when I was done something seemed off with the shifter. The next day I woke up and the truck was in my backyard. Apparently one of their guys didn't tighten the selector arm inside the unit. After a bunch of "sir we're not saying you did anything wrong, but it is impossible it's a problem from within the unit" I took the pan down myself and found the loose nut. The never made it right. How could they? They were just happy that my truck didn't kill anyone.

And yes, I'm a mechanic, but I don't mess with automatic transmission internals. May as well be magic happening inside those. Lol


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I am in Buffalo. Good luck. I bet Clarks makes it ok....
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I think I found the problem...

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So as idle hands are getting the better of me... I installed all the new engine to body seals.
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Apparently I am missing 19 and 20. So I made a pseudo 20.

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I ran all last summer without them in the 100 degree heat and no temperature problems.

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Now, I was going to ignore my second gear slightly grinding when warm, but again, I'm restless now so I popped off the cover.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt this gear with the chipped tooth first? The grind that I get is going into second, whether from first or on the down shift from third. Again only when it's fully warm, in the winter it won't do it unless it's a warm day. I am running the brad penn stuff so I know it isn't a fluid issue.





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Well.... Day 1, multiple replies asking for more pictures, which I sent. Finally a few minutes before they close I get and email that's reads: "from the tech: looks like it was marked wrong is all that I can see".

I have a problem with this. First of all, with every email that I received there was no contact name on the bottom. As far as I know they could have been computer generated emails (although I know they weren't). Second, that response is inadequate. This is THE company for Corvair. You're telling me that the tech there can't tell the difference between an early and late pp? Obviously the two in my pictures are identical aside from the height on the cast iron center section. For Christ sake I did the homework for you all you have to do it hand it in. In other words, swiftly send me a freaking correct pressure-plate.

I think that someone matched the early ring gear section to a late cast iron part and called it an early pp by accident. Which is fine, but stop waddling around and send me the right one.


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Lostboy, that stinks. I was hoping for better for you from them.
I went down and looked at the clutch that came from my' '64 and took a few photos. I remember reading something about the mismatch of flywheels and PP's. The pics were from a working clutch ( minus the oil ). Is this what your flywheel looks like? The PP seems similar to your picture. Also this clutch had a different throw out bearing.
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And since a picture w/ numbers might be more help I snapped this. And I'm not saying it was right , but it did work in my car. And when I pulled it the fingers certainly didn't look like the picture you posted.
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tractside wrote:And since a picture w/ numbers might be more help I snapped this. And I'm not saying it was right , but it did work in my car. And when I pulled it the fingers certainly didn't look like the picture you posted.
Thank you for those pictures! I think what is happening is that the cast part that I have is too thick. Because yours measures similarly but has the same gap when you straight edge across the mounting bolts as my old one.


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This is the new one. No room for the clutch.

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And the old one has room.


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But your flywheel is the newer style isn't it?


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Yes it's a recessed ( stepped ) flywheel. Maybe that PP is for a stepped flywheel??? It would make room for the clutch. Still, you would think Clarks could figure that out in a snap...
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tractside wrote:Yes it's a recessed ( stepped ) flywheel. Maybe that PP is for a stepped flywheel??? It would make room for the clutch. Still, you would think Clarks could figure that out in a snap...
Yeah I'm not trying to be a dick. They've been very good in the past. I was talking to my friend about this and when I said "I shouldn't have ordered the pp" he was like "yeah? You going to manufacture one yourself" which got me thinking seriously about doing exactly that. lol it'll all work out I just don't want to wait. Like someone pointed out in the opg thread, it's got to be tough to be a corvair only vendor. I don't doubt for one minute that it's a difficult thing to do. Which is why I agree with synthetic blinker fluid when it comes to having capital from all the other cars they (opg) makes parts for. We shall see...


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ImageMain Office Phone: 413.625.9776

:helpsos: If you're not satisfied with the treatment that you been getting via email, I would suggest a more personal touch ON THE PHONE! You might tell them that all of this activity, including pictures of the apparent faulty part they sent you and their customer support response has been posted on the Corvair Forum for all to see! Tell them that your faith in Clark's Corvair Parts is getting a little shaky at this point… :nono:
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bbodie52 wrote:ImageMain Office Phone: 413.625.9776

:helpsos: If you're not satisfied with the treatment that you been getting via email, I would suggest a more personal touch ON THE PHONE! You might tell them that all of this activity, including pictures of the apparent faulty part they sent you and their customer support response has been posted on the Corvair Forum for all to see! Tell them that your faith in Clark's Corvair Parts is getting a little shaky at this point… :nono:
I did call them. That's when I was told I needed to send pictures as an attachment instead of just inserting the picture.

Anyway, good news.

They left me a message this am letting me know that they were sending another plate and for me to return the defective one. So that's awesome! Clarks is making good. Again, I've had great experiences with them in the past.


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Any transmission specialists out there who can confirm my chipped tooth is 1st gear?


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Your chipped tooth is on the reverse gear idler.
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Wagon Master wrote:Your chipped tooth is on the reverse gear idler.
Thank you sir!

Next winter is going to be a rebuild the 3speed winter. For now, we ride.


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