'65 Monza project in the dry central valley CA

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Re: '65 Monza project in the dry central valley CA

Unread post by viewmaster » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:55 pm

Well...its been a while since this project post has been updated so... I have since found a great stash of hot rod Corvair buggy parts, and am going a different direction, until i can finish the turbo build.

In the stash was a complete...running 140hp. I have to take off the VM bell adapter(dont fret...its normal rotation) and this and that, but its a great way to get this beast moving and checking things.
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Otto oil pump and sump as well...
So...ill keep everyone informed, and will post some cool stuff for sale as well. Check out the bump stick i found...
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Re: '65 Monza project in the dry central valley CA

Unread post by viewmaster » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:42 am

Well...its been a while, but i am still gathering parts, building the shops infrastructure and finishing up a commisioned art project for a local art community. I have started digging deeper on this project, and going to be able to devote way more time and attention to it. Just got a REAL air compressor and got a header plumbed to the shop, so sand blasting and various air tools can GO FOR IT!!!! Also...found some great seats to put in, for a more comfy ride. This is important, since its gonna be my wifes ride...primarilly.

I have found that crushed walnut shells work good for stripping paint...but rust/cancer is another story. Will get some medium grit sand for that.

More to come....
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Unread post by viewmaster » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:33 am

Well...now that i have that huge tank out of the way,
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The beast installed...
and more time on my hands, this one is gonna see some activity. Glad i have a REAL air compressor now, and i moved the car closer to the shop and built a shelter over her this Sat. Took both front windshield and back windows out, and started cleaning up to see what metal work i will have to do. Also, took the dashboard...literally a board, out and marked all the wires for sorting out later. This week, gonna take front seats out and plastic and carpet out. Get down to the nitty gritty.
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Unread post by viewmaster » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:07 pm

Got the front seats pulled out, the carpets removed and put it up on jackstands this morning. Sandblasted the windshield lower frame area and found some filler material...prolly to hold in some bondo, as well as a pretty extensive leading area on both curbside and roadside, where they join the fenders. I think maybe the PO had put in a repair piece before??? Not sure. Ill need to do my homework as to what is the optimal way to go about cutting this section out and welding in a new piece.
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Curbside (most damage)
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I do have a question: Is this stock? It looks like stacked "dogleg" sheet metal, that makes up the lower window frame...that has the clips for the front cowl. Not sure if i am even using the correct terms. See if this picture makes any sense. Thanks in advance...Mike
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Unread post by viewmaster » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:08 am

Here is another angle of the lower frame. It seems like there were multiple pieces pinch welded together on this one. Has anyone else come across this?
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Unread post by viewmaster » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:51 am

Guess my motto is: Just start cutting out the cancer and your questions will be answered...lol.
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Unread post by cad-kid » Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:38 pm

Makes me shiver just looking at it.
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Unread post by viewmaster » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:09 pm

I am gonna have to use a sandblaster, a welder and a bit of POR15...
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Unread post by viewmaster » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:36 pm

Got down to original leading in the corners of the windshield sil.
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Wire brushed lower part of a pillar
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Curb side
I have uncovered original seams and sealer...so i believe that the leading at the bottom of the a pillar is factory.
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Cleaned up seam area...
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Anyhow...have to order a few things from Clark's, including the replacement sil piece.
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Stripped doors
Also...got the front doors stripped and ready for prep. More tomorrow...

Hey SteveH....thanks for the inspiration in using the wire wheel. It really cleaned up alot of original seam sealant, as well as lead residue. :tu:

Stay tuned...
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Unread post by SteveH » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:19 am

Glad to help, Remembered the Mask? (lead residue is BAD)
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Unread post by 66vairguy » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:20 pm

Glad you got the glass out. I ALWAYS encourage folks to pull the glue in glass and redo the frame when painting a car. The old sealer has a lifespan of about 6-10 years when exposed to the sun, then you have to remove it and reinstall the glass which few do.

Water gets UNDER the dried out seal and won't evaporate and then the rust starts.

Even western cars have this problem. I got lucky when looking for my cars and both my 66 cars only had a few minor pin holes that were easy to fix. Rebuilding a badly rusted sill is a big job - but the only way to get reliable results is to cut out all the bad metal and weld/braze in new.

Use a quality epoxy automotive primer to seal things before you prime and paint.

Nice job.

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Unread post by viewmaster » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:40 pm

^ ^^ Thanks guys...i am gonna sandblast all i can get to...after i weld in a new sil piece, then encapsulate the rest, then bondo, then featherfill before prime and paint. Want to do it right, so it lasts another bunch of years.

Off question for all: Anyone use AAC carpet kits for their Vair? Was wondering if a coupe kit would fit a 4-door. (since the wheelbase and body is the same length) I have a line on a kit, for cheap, from a guy who got the wrong color.

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Unread post by viewmaster » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:02 pm

Got a little work done today. Sonce my cheapo, HF impact screwdriver failed at removing the hinges on the rear doors, i couldnt get those stripped and prepped for paint as i would have liked.

So...i started cleaning the floorboards down to bare metal, so i could address any issues there. Seems PO sprayed rubberized undercoating all over the inside, under the carpet and padding. What a mess to have to clean up. UGH!!!!
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Unread post by terribleted » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:51 pm

The lower windshield replacement steel piece is not an excellent reproduction. I would try to find a NOS lower windshield panel before I attempted to install the repro. Even hundreds of dollars extra for the NOS part would not be out of the question, but, I expect you may be able to find a NOS part or rust free used dash section for less than hundreds of dollar more than the repro part. IF you do use the repro panel be prepared to do a lot of reshaping and test fitting during install. You will need to test fit the glass, cowl panel and windshield trim before welding, and do a lot of test fitting during final body filler shaping or the entire repair. The bends in the repro part are not as sharp as they should be, so, for excellent lines and fit of cowl panel and windshield trim the entire panel will need some sculpting.
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Re: '65 Monza project in the dry central valley CA

Unread post by viewmaster » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:40 am

terribleted wrote:The lower windshield replacement steel piece is not an excellent reproduction. I would try to find a NOS lower windshield panel before I attempted to install the repro. Even hundreds of dollars extra for the NOS part would not be out of the question, but, I expect you may be able to find a NOS part or rust free used dash section for less than hundreds of dollar more than the repro part. IF you do use the repro panel be prepared to do a lot of reshaping and test fitting during install. You will need to test fit the glass, cowl panel and windshield trim before welding, and do a lot of test fitting during final body filler shaping or the entire repair. The bends in the repro part are not as sharp as they should be, so, for excellent lines and fit of cowl panel and windshield trim the entire panel will need some sculpting.
I figured that i would have to do some massaging...but, looking as well to the replacement part being 22ga., as well as galvanized...i may just go with my first plan and fab one myself. Measure the arc of the windshield, and cut pieces and weld it all together. Using 18ga. metal....maybe even stainless. That should have been a factory choice 50+ years ago. (IMHO)

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