1962 Chevy Corvair Monza 900

[ESchantini]

Hey guys! I just bought a barn find 62 Corvair Monza 900. Original engine is in the process of being rebuilt by a Corvair Guru. But this thing needs full restoration. I’m not super worried about the work but so far, parts seem to be my biggest dilemma. It currently has 13” steel rims on it with tires that need some serious help. I’ve seen a couple of the threads on replacement and I guess I’m looking to see if 1. Does anyone have any original wheels and tires they want to get rid of? 2. What seems to be the favorite set up after 62 years of R&D? I’m also looking for the rear most motor mount or whatever mount that is back there. It’s a rubber one mounted to the aft crossmember like half a foot below the hood latch. I also apologize for some of my negligence, I’m not super familiar with Corvairs, I just learned they existed when I bought the car… but I’m eager to learn!

[bbodie52]

Welcome to the Corvair Forum!

When I was eight years old my parents purchased our first family Corvair — a brand new 1961 Monza 2-door coupe. Several years later they sold that car and bought a new 1965 Corvair Corsa convertible (140hp with 4x1 carburetors).


Warren Bodie and son Brad at Edwards AFB Air Show in 1965 with our new 1965 Corvair Corsa convertible (140HP)

When I turned 16 I learned how to drive in that Corvair, and took my first driver's license test in that car. My father bought a well-used 1963 Corvair 500 for me to develop some auto mechanic's skills on. He provided a garage, access to his hand tools, and funding to encourage my efforts, and I spent my high school summer vacation in 1969 learning to remove, disassemble, and overhaul the engine and the attached unhealthy Powerglide automatic transmission. The engine ran well as a result of my engine overhaul efforts, but the Corvair 500 was deemed not worth further restoration. My father located a 1962 4-speed Monza coupe with no engine, and I spent my 1970 summer transplanting my fresh engine into that Corvair. It served as my primary transportation until I graduated from high school in 1971. In 1972 I was married in that car!

At age 71, after 52 years of marriage, we continue to stick with Corvairs as "daily drivers"...




The point of all this is to try to encourage a do-it-yourself learning approach to fixing up your "new" 1962 Corvair. To that end, I would ask that you post some detailed photographs of your Corvair, including the engine compartment, interior, trunk, etc. to tell us more about your project car. Can you also tell us more about yourself, your mechanical skills and experience, etc? I'm assuming that living in Montana means that you are somewhat isolated from any hope of local outside assistance with this Corvair project. Do you have access to hand tools and an indoor place to work on your Corvair?

In addition to help and guidance that can be offered from Corvair Forum members, I would strongly recommend that you acquire a reference library, including a 1961 Corvair shop manual and 1962 supplement, and an assembly manual from a source like Clark's Corvair Parts.


https://ssl.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalo ... _page=243A


Removing your car from storage/Reviving a Dead Corvair

http://www.corvairforum.com/forum/viewt ... 225&t=5030


If you don't have a shop manual and supplements, you should use the following link to download the necessary technical references to guide you.

The link below will provide you with a list of useful websites that are Corvair-related. Some of the links will lead you to an extensive technical library that will allow you to download shop manuals and other technical references in Adobe Reader format at no cost. There is also a link that will help you to locate nearby CORSA (Corvair Society of America) club chapters. While the Corvair Forum can be very helpful as you work on your Corvair, having local friends and contacts in your region who are knowledgeable about the Corvair can also be very helpful. These family-friendly CORSA club chapters often offer picnics, group scenic drives, technical training and assistance, car shows, and competition events that can greatly enhance your enjoyment of Corvair ownership. You will also find a list of essential Corvair parts suppliers.

Common and Useful Corvair Websites

http://www.corvairforum.com/forum/viewt ... 225&t=6007

[bbodie52]

I wrote this some time ago for prospective owners who are new to Corvairs. It might be useful to you...

Please look over the following comments that I wrote some time ago, and see if they might help you with learning about owning a Corvair. You may have already seen these comments and suggestions, but if not, I hope they are helpful...

As a new owner of a Corvair, I will try to answer a few of your questions directly, and will also provide some material that I wrote in the past to others who were also considering purchasing their first Corvair. My family purchased our first Corvair in 1961 when I was eight years old. My parents bought a brand-new 1961 Corvair Monza four-speed manual transmission coupe. In 1965 they sold the first Corvair and purchased a new 1965 Corvair Corsa convertible (140 hp 4×1 carburetor engine with four-speed transmission). At age 66, it must be painfully obvious that I like these cars, since my wife and I continue to drive a 1966 Corvair Corsa convertible with the same engine and transmission that my parents had in their 1965 Corvair many decades ago.

I have driven Corvairs all over the United States and in Europe as well. During my 24 year career in the Air Force I took two Corvairs with me when we were transferred to an assignment near Ramstein Air Base, in Kaiserslautern, West Germany. These Corvairs easily transported my wife and two children along with me to assignments all over the United States. They were our primary transportation for most of the 24 years that I was in the Air Force. They also did quite well on the German autobahn during my three year assignment in Europe.

To give you some idea of my confidence in driving Corvairs, I purchased our current 1966 Corvair Corsa convertible from a classic car dealer in Lakeland Florida. My wife and I purchased this car in 2012 for our 40th wedding anniversary. I spotted the car on eBay and negotiated the purchase over the phone. Trusting that the car would have no problems with a return trip, I purchased a bus ticket from Atlanta to Lakeland Florida, completed the transaction, and drove the car 565 miles back to our home in North Carolina. The Corvair attracted a lot of attention at practically every gas stop and fast food restaurant that I stopped at on the return trip. I was also the recipient of many smiles and thumbs-up signs at intersections while I waited for the light to change! People seem to like Corvairs, and my new convertible always seemed to attract attention in the parking lot as a crowd of curiosity lookers would gather around the car while asking many questions and telling me stories about their memories of having a family Corvair in their younger days. I can't guarantee that you will always be able to drive a Corvair over long distances without mechanical problems. These Corvairs are more than 50 years old, after all. But if you take the time to learn to maintain your Corvair properly and develop the DIY skills needed to take care of your Corvair, you can probably count on some pretty good results.

I wrote the following material some years ago to answer similar questions from other potential new Corvair owners...

Thanks. I hope my previous comments were helpful. Your comments seem to reflect interest but also uncertainty. I have worked with a number of first-time Corvair buyers in Europe who were considering a purchase of a car from USA sources (to provide a greater range of cars to consider), while knowing that such a effort would make it impossible for them to test drive or personally evaluate the car before purchasing and shipping it. Your circumstances are somewhat similar. They contacted local experienced Corvair owners and aficionados through this Corvair Forum and through local CORSA clubs, and they often found sympathetic club members who were willing to help as local "third party" volunteer assistants.

There is much to consider, and the material below is something I wrote some years ago to try to help the first-time Corvair buyer. Corvairs can be found from sources throughout the United States and Canada. I hope you will find these comments to be useful...

The Corvairs are vintage 1960s technology and design — easy to learn and easy to maintain. I would say that learning to work on a Corvair is analogous to an experienced home DIY "shade tree" car mechanic learning to work on a motorcycle. The concepts and procedures are very similar, but the details and the way it is put together is a little different. With the Corvair engine (like a motorcycle) you are dealing with a lot of aluminum. The metal is soft when compared to steel and cast iron, so the use of a torque wrench, anti-seize compound and carefully avoiding cross-threading becomes more important. Also, (like some motorcycles) you are dealing with multiple carburetors so tuning procedures are a little different. The use of Corvair shop manuals and supplements, other technical guides, and information sources like the Corvair Forum, and perhaps joining a CORSA (Corvair Society of America) club chapter can help you to quickly learn about Corvairs. Information resources, like good Corvair parts suppliers, are plentiful if you know where to look. Suppliers like Clark's Corvair Parts have been well-respected and extremely supportive since 1973, and suppliers like that make Corvair ownership more practical and much-more possible. I taught myself how to remove a Corvair powertrain, overhaul the engine, and rebuild the Powerglide transmission during my summer vacation in 1969, when I was sixteen years old. I was working alone (my father had been transferred by Lockheed from northern California to southern California, and we had not yet moved to join him). I had a shop manual and a garage full of tools. There was no Internet, no Corvair Forum, no CORSA club — I was pretty-much on my own. Yet I learned and was successful (in 1972 that engine carried me and my new bride on our wedding day and on our honeymoon).

So you should be able to master working on Corvairs without too much trouble — except watch out for rust and body rot! The Corvair is of unibody construction, so most body repair involves cutting and welding. The doors, trunk lid (in the front) , and engine compartment lid (in the back) and maybe the gas filler door are the only bolt-on body components. Everything else is cut and weld, and the body serves as the main chassis frame. So unless you are a master body repair technician, you need to select your Corvair carefully and avoid excessive hidden rust or a "Bondo bucket". The door frame areas, fenders, floor pan, the bottom of the trunk, lower windshield and battery area often rust and rot.

What follows is an attempt at introducing new prospective Corvair Owners to Corvairs and some of the issues involved. Food for thought, before you take the plunge. This is a copy of something I wrote earlier, but I think it may be helpful in your quest for the "right" Corvair...

I will try to provide a quick summary of the 1960-1969 Corvair lineup, and will also try to provide some answers regarding the use of a Corvair as a "daily driver".

EARLY MODEL: 1960 - 1964 Corvairs were the first generation. Their body style emulated other Chevrolet body styles from the early 1960s. The rear suspension was a swing-axle design that was similar to the Volkswagen "Beetle". The 1960 model year was the only year with a 140 cubic inch engine, and there were some characteristics that were unique to that model year only. A number of refinements were implemented in the following year, including some restyling of the front end and an increase in displacement to 145 cubic inches (CI). A manual choke was used in 1961, and this was changed to an automatic choke design in 1962 that remained with the car through 1969. A turbocharged 150 hp Spyder was introduced in 1962, and the Spyder name remained with the turbocharged engine through 1964. In 1964 the engine displacement in all Corvair engines increased from 145 CI to 164 CI. There were also some suspension refinements, including a front anti-sway bar and a rear transverse leaf spring to improve handling in all 1964 Corvairs. Here are a few pictures of Early Model (EM) 1960-1964 Corvairs...

1964 Monza Convertible


1964 Corvair Engine Compartment

1963 Monza Coupe

1963 Monza Interior

1962 Lakewood Station Wagon

Corvair Rampside Truck

Corvair Greenbrier Van

Van/Truck Interior

LATE MODEL:The 1965 Corvair introduced a completely new body style, that was also seen later in similar styles in the Camaro and Pontiac Firebird. The drum brake size was increased, and the swing-axle rear suspension design used in EM Corvairs was abandoned. The new rear suspension was a design lifted from the Corvette Stingray.

1965 and 1966 Corvairs were nearly identical. In 1967-69 the top of the line Corsa was dropped, leaving the Monza and economy 500 until production was discontinued in the spring of 1969. During the 1967-69 production period, there were minor safety changes, such as a dual master brake cylinder in place of the single unit used in 1960-1966. Interior seats and trim changed somewhat, paralleling the items used in Camaros and some other GM products during that period.

All 1965-66 Corsas came with a standard 4-carburetor 140 hp engine, and an optional 180 hp turbocharged engine. The 140 hp engine remained optional in the rest of the lineup. Other engine options in the Monza and 500 were 110 hp and 95 hp dual carburetor engines. All engines could be had with a manual 4-speed or 3-speed transmission, or with a 2-speed Powerglide automatic (with the exception of the 1965-66 turbocharged 180 hp engine, which was available with the Corsa only, and only with a 4-speed manual transmission).

Air conditioning was a rare option, but can be found in the 1965-1967 lineup, and some of the EM Corvairs as well. The following link will provide you with some air conditioned Corvair background and history...
http://www.corvair.org/chapters/airvairs/

The brakes, front and rear suspension, transaxle and body were essentially identical in the Corsa, Monza, and 500. The primary differences in the cars were the instrument panel (the Corsa had more gauges), trim details, and the engine option.

The late model Corvairs were available in a 2-door Coupe, 2-door Convertible, and 4-door Sedan. In 1968, the four-door hardtop was discontinued, leaving three models—the 500 and Monza Hardtop Coupes and the Monza Convertible. Air conditioning was dropped as an option. The weight of the cars was very similar in all configurations.


1965 Corvair Corsa Coupe




1965 Corvair Corsa Convertible


1965 Corvair Monza 4-Door Sedan


Corsa Interior (Top) / Monza Interior (Bottom)


140 hp 164 CI 4x1 Carburetor Engine (1965-1969)





Corvairs can suffer from rust and body rot problems, especially in areas that use a lot of road salt in the wintertime. While you may be able to learn and successfully attack most mechanical issues as a DIY effort, body decay can be much-more difficult, time-consuming, intimidating, and expensive to correct. So look for hidden rust or rot problems that may have been covered up with plastic filler, and be cautious in your Corvair selection.

A Corvair can serve well as a daily driver. But I would recommend a backup car or other alternatives, since ANY breakdown can put the car out of service for days until replacement parts can be obtained (if needed). If you have the skills and ability to work on the car yourself, repairs can often be completed fairly quickly. But if you have to rely on professional mechanics, downtime can be long and possibly expensive — if you can find a good mechanic to do the work for you.

Here is something I wrote over a year ago — Brad's Admonition, or some words of advice — based on over 50 years of exposure to Corvair ownership — that I wrote to try to give new Corvair buyers some idea of the issues involved. I'm sure you have some idea already, but I also think this is worth considering...

Since you are new to Corvairs, I want to give you some information that I have written to other new prospective first-time Corvair owners. I have been involved with Corvairs since I was eight years old, when my parents bought our first Corvair – a brand new 1961 Monza 2-door coupe, white on red with a 4-speed transmission. I now own Corvair number ten, which I purchased in June 2012. (If you want to read a brief personal biography that outlines my family background and our experiences with Corvairs, go to CORVAIR FORUM > Introductions > New from Lake Chatuge North Carolina. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4032 ) I want to encourage your enthusiasm in developing your plans to buy your first Corvair, but at the same time I want to help you to think through just what you are getting into. So please read and consider these comments below...

I have listened to many potential Corvair first-time owners. Many have no prior experience with owning any classic car, and many have never driven a Corvair at all, or have not driven one in decades. Some are motivated by childhood memories of a family Corvair. They typically describe the desire to locate a perfect, restored, ultra-clean example, and look to the Corvair Forum Corvair enthusiasts and aficionados to tell them what to do.

The first thing I think that needs to be done is to try to set-aside the usual emotion-based enthusiasm that any car buyer might feel when visiting a dealer and gazing with emotional eagerness at the vast array of new cars displayed in the showroom, on the car lot, and in factory brochures and advertisements. There is an extreme difference between owning a 50+ year-old Chevrolet that was likely engineered, designed and built with pre-planned obsolescence in mind — a car that GM only envisioned having a life-span of ten years or so. Many of the potential Corvair buyers are captivated with the exciting idea of owning something different — something not normally seen on the road — something that your neighbor will not buy! Certainly that is the case with a Corvair, but owning a Corvair and enjoying that ownership demands a certain dose of reality before you "buy-in". Many are unprepared for the maintenance and upkeep demands of a Corvair. "Where can I find a good Corvair mechanic?" is a common question — often displaying an inability or unwillingness to do some mechanical work and maintain that car yourself. Yet qualified Corvair mechanics can be distant, expensive, inconvenient, and all-too rare. At a time when finding even a spark plug, fan belt, or oil filter for a Corvair often means an Internet or mail-order purchase, finding local support may be unlikely or impossible. Even searching automobile junk yards will often not help, because these cars are so rare and infrequently found that they have all but disappeared from the scrap yards too. Even locating and buying a used part is a mail-order proposition. And even if you spend $15,000-$20,000 for a fully-restored Corvair in mint condition, it still comes "as-is", with no warranty and little in the way of a local support system — far different than what most car buyers are used to expecting! These are the realities of owning an older classic car.

Corvairs are popular and affordable classic cars, and enjoy a good infrastructure of maintenance supporters, owner's clubs, and parts suppliers — and that REALLY helps! But I suspect that most happy Corvair owners are something of "shade-tree mechanics" and hobbyists who are prepared to deal with the risks and problems related to Corvair ownership. It requires a long-term commitment and a dose of reality to happily own a classic Corvair. The "first date" infatuation with the attractiveness and uniqueness of a Corvair will not sustain you in a long-term relationship with a Corvair. It is far-better to have a realistic idea of just what you are getting into before you "take the plunge" and buy your dream car.

A cautious, knowledgeable and educated search for your dream Corvair is a great start, and a careful and realistic analysis of your own mechanical talents, skills and abilities is also useful. If you plan to have a mechanic do most of the work for you, the availability of a Corvair-skilled mechanic and the associated costs involved must be taken into account in your financial planning to own a Corvair.

I try to not be too negative, but I have worked with others who came to realize that Corvair ownership was more than they could handle. I just feel that new prospective Corvair owners come here to this forum to learn from others who have more experience, and we are not doing them any favors by "candy coating" the issues involved. If they pass the "sanity check" and still want to pursue buying a Corvair, then GREAT! This Forum and perhaps some local Corvair club members can potentially help them pursue that dream. But it should be a realistic dream, and not a frustrating "nightmare" experience. Better to make a clear-headed, informed decision early in the game!

I hope that these comments are useful to you. I know I get "long-winded", but I also know you are trying to make an important decision, and I hope all of these comments will help you.

A Corvair can serve well as a daily driver. But I would recommend a backup car or other alternatives, since ANY breakdown can put the car out of service for days until replacement parts can be obtained (if needed). If you have the skills and ability to work on the car yourself, repairs can often be completed fairly quickly. But if you have to rely on professional mechanics, downtime can be long and possibly expensive — if you can find a good mechanic to do the work for you.

[Frank DuVal]

Motor mounts are available from our vendors.

Clark's Corvair Parts
California Corvair Parts
John Sweet ( johyns on this forum ) and ebay
and more, people will add.
Shades is up your way. Well, closer than I am.

And then several used parts places too (that also have new and NOS).

Corvair Ranch
Corvair Farmer

Parts are the least worry for Corvair owners compared to other makes.

[66vairguy]

It currently has 13” steel rims on it with tires that need some serious help. I’ve seen a couple of the threads on replacement and I guess I’m looking to see if 1. Does anyone have any original wheels and tires they want to get rid of?

I'm confused. If you have the original steel wheels why do you need another set of wheels and tires?

Only one company makes tires that fit the Corvair 13" rims. Maaxis 185/80x13 MA-1. Supplies vary as Maaxis only makes up new tires when the demand is there (tires have a shelf life) I will NOT drive on a tire more than eight years old!!! Doesn't matter if the tire was kept in a dark cool place - they age!! Maaxis makes the ONLY DOT approved tire for automobiles. Plenty of trailer tires in this size THAT ARE NOT FOR AUTOMOBILE USE!!!

Many tire places can get the Maxxis tires, but as said you sometimes have to wait a month, other times they are easy to find.

[Vsantoro]

Is 13 in wheels not the original size ?
I just bought a 62 monza convertible the other day, it has 13 in steel wheels with what look to be the original hub caps. They have 175/80/13's on them.

[Dennis66]

Yes, it came with 13'' rims / tires. The 185s are the CLOSEST to original size. On later models (65 and up - 5 lug), there are plenty of options. On our 4 lug cars, there are fewer options and they are typically expensive at around 100 / wheel for used 14'' steel wheels (Datsun Z among the options). While there are other wheels with the same or close pattern off-set and backspacing can be problems. Welcome. Dennis

[Frank DuVal]

All Corvair cars are 13” from the factory. No exceptions .

FCs are 14”.

[ESchantini]

Hey! Sorry for the late reply! Just got back from vacation. I’m 23. I work as an airframe and powerplant mechanic currently, 3 years in practice. Before that. I worked as a Lube tech originally and worked up to an A tech over about 4 years in automotive at a Mom and Pop shop in Denver. I currently live up next to Glacier National park in Montana. I have the car currently parked and tarped at a buddies house but working to find a garage to work in until I have my own. Skilled outside of general mechanic knowledge, I’ve become pretty proficient in paint and body work, I’m alright with a welder, I can work sheet metal fabrication pretty solid, and I’m pretty quick to learn. Currently learning upholstery, stripped the seats last weekend, currently getting blasted so I can put some primer on. All springs and frames looked solid, just some surface rust. I’ll add some pictures below but I GREATLY appreciate all the replies and resources given to me here. Thank you guys so much and I look forward to talking with you guys more!


The point of all this is to try to encourage a do-it-yourself learning approach to fixing up your "new" 1962 Corvair. To that end, I would ask that you post some detailed photographs of your Corvair, including the engine compartment, interior, trunk, etc. to tell us more about your project car. Can you also tell us more about yourself, your mechanical skills and experience, etc? I'm assuming that living in Montana means that you are somewhat isolated from any hope of local outside assistance with this Corvair project. Do you have access to hand tools and an indoor place to work on your Corvair?

[ESchantini]

It currently has basic steel 13” rims on it, I’m not sure if that was what originally came on the vehicle. The tires on here I’m not even comfortable putting air in, well over 10 years old and I’ve had a 10 year old tire blow up in a cage before and I’m not too keen on ever doing it again. I’ll look into those tires! Thanks for the reference!

It currently has 13” steel rims on it with tires that need some serious help. I’ve seen a couple of the threads on replacement and I guess I’m looking to see if 1. Does anyone have any original wheels and tires they want to get rid of?

I'm confused. If you have the original steel wheels why do you need another set of wheels and tires?

Only one company makes tires that fit the Corvair 13" rims. Maaxis 185/80x13 MA-1. Supplies vary as Maaxis only makes up new tires when the demand is there (tires have a shelf life) I will NOT drive on a tire more than eight years old!!! Doesn't matter if the tire was kept in a dark cool place - they age!! Maaxis makes the ONLY DOT approved tire for automobiles. Plenty of trailer tires in this size THAT ARE NOT FOR AUTOMOBILE USE!!!

Many tire places can get the Maxxis tires, but as said you sometimes have to wait a month, other times they are easy to find.

[ESchantini]

I’m going to try this again, technology has never been my friend. Hopefully the pictures attach this time

[OldnSlow]

Hi Evan,

Tech is always tricky, too many formats and "standards". I have found that downloading the pics I want to attach, to my desktop, then using the "attachments" tab at the bottom, then "add files" and grab those from your desktop that you downloaded in the aforementioned step. Hold down the "ctrl" button and click on the images you want to attach, that will grab the pics you want to attach. No offense intended if this is rudimentary, I have helped folks that thought the power switch on the monitor was the same as powering off their computer and I just want to make sure the basics are covered.

[OldnSlow]

That being said....
I am currently working on a 63 convertible Monza. I have done A LOT of work on it, full interior, entire rear suspension, heater box, motor, and fan, brake system, top to bottom, fuel system, top to bottom, etc. I currently have the power pack out and am replacing a cylinder, piston, rod and a whole slew of other parts due to a wrist pin sliding out and damaging the cylinder. I only know that because I pulled the power pack to replace a few $5 dollar seals that were leaking gear oil. Down the rabbit hole I went, so if you have questions, I can at least tell you what NOT to do
So reach out if you have any questions, these machines are unique, aggravating, and fun as hell!

[Frank DuVal]

I can at least tell you what NOT to do

That is actually very handy knowledge to pass on!

We all learned that way back in the day.....

[ESchantini]

Let’s try this again. I’ve attached some pictures of the car! Finally have some spending money to play with and get some tires and rims on this beauty and get her in the garage and out of the weather

[ESchantini]

Here’s a couple more of interior and the seats after I got them epoxy primed