HOW TO PREVENT ROLLING AN EARLY MODEL !

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I don't make this stuff up ::-):

Looks like you can improve the handling and safety of an Early Corvair by simply adding 200 Lbs of cameras to the rear of the car :eek:

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I bought a new 1962 Monza coupe 4 speed, never had a handling problem in turns at higher speeds than 25. The trick was not to coast through the corner but to accelerate through the corner & I drove the piss out of it. Only an idiot would roll one over.
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I wonder how an EM with modern tires would do on a skid pad versus a typical top-heavy pig of an SUV, like a Tahoe, or an Explorer...or even a Jeep Wrangler? :tongue:
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Ya, where is Nader when he's needed. Some of those SUV's are an accident waiting to happen.
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Ya, where is Nader when he's needed. Some of those SUV's are an accident waiting to happen.
The SUVs have a rollover warning on the sun visor -------


The Corvair didn't ::-):
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How to prevent rolling an early model?

Put a couple of these behind the tires.

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There were other cars with the same design. The Porche and VW are 2 of them.
If you drive a rear engine like it has a front engine you will have trouble.
After the fact there was a study done with the Corvair and its contemporaries.
Corvair was not considered any worse than the others.
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corvair70 wrote:After the fact there was a study done with the Corvair and its contemporaries.
Corvair was not considered any worse than the others.
Preaching to the choir there my friend.

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UNSAFE wrote:
Ya, where is Nader when he's needed. Some of those SUV's are an accident waiting to happen.
The SUVs have a rollover warning on the sun visor -------


The Corvair didn't ::-):
But then again, in the 60s, people DIDN'T need things like a warning that a cup of coffee might actually be HOT!! :drool:
Or that trying to do a fast lane change in a vehicle MIGHT just cause you to lose control! :tongue:
Lawyers run amok... :banghead:

Oh, and Azdave, it's how to "Prevent rolling an Early Model", NOT "How to prevent an Early Model from rolling!" :rolling:
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Corvair70 wrote:

After the fact there was a study done with the Corvair and its contemporaries.
Corvair was not considered any worse than the others.


Preaching to the choir there my friend.

Yeah ! ::-):

Corvair70 > The entire safety hearing findings are posted in the media section .

I also recently posted the testimony from the Congressional hearings about the safety hearings.

I have also been collecting the original test footage from the safety hearings that will be available on multiple DVDs.

I also picked up some Porsche , VW bug , and VW Bus stability and rollover movies for comparison .

Wow - it's hard to imagine 200 pounds of cameras these days .

My license plate is UNSAFE .

Here's a frame from one film .
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Only an idiot would roll one over.
They say there's one born every minute :dontknow:

At least it rolled a full 360 degrees and landed on it's feet :eek:
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UNSAFE wrote:
Ya, where is Nader when he's needed. Some of those SUV's are an accident waiting to happen.
The SUVs have a rollover warning on the sun visor -------


The Corvair didn't ::-):

Awww!! It wants it's belly rubbed!!! It's so excited it pulled it's tires in.
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:doh: :dontknow: :nono: Corvairs are not the only American-made vehicle caught up in a rollover controversy. The Ford Explorer and Firestone Tires were the recipient of a great deal of negative publicity in this subject arena some years ago. I had heard it but not paid much attention. At the time I owned a 1996 Ford Explorer 2-door that was running on Yokohama SUV tires. I discovered a strange ban on Ford Explorers that had been implemented by U-Haul. In 2008 I wanted to rent a 2-wheel enclosed trailer from U-Haul, but I discovered they would not rent to me because I wanted to connect their trailer to my Ford Explorer! The U-Haul corporate management had (and still does for 2011 and older Ford Explorers) banned Ford Explorer owners from their customer base. :sad5: Even more strange, although the Ford Explorer is banned, The Mercury Mountaineer (essentially identical to the Ford Explorer) is not banned by U-Haul. (The Mercury Mountaineer was a mid-size luxury sport utility vehicle (SUV) that was sold by the Mercury division of Ford Motor Company from 1997 until 2010. Sharing many of its features with the Ford Explorer, the vehicles were virtually identical, in terms of hardware).

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In May 2000, the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) contacted Ford and Firestone about the high incidence of tire failure on Ford Explorers, Mercury Mountaineers, and Mazda Navajos fitted with Firestone tires. Ford investigated and found that several models of 15-inch Firestone tires (ATX, ATX II, and Wilderness AT) had very high failure rates, especially those made at Firestone's Decatur, Illinois plant. This was one of the leading factors to the closing of the Decatur plant.

Joan Claybrook, who was the president of the public advocacy group Public Citizen and previously an Administrator of the NHTSA, stated before the Transportation Subcommittee United States Senate Committee on Appropriations on September 6, 2000, that, "there was a documented coverup by Ford and Firestone of the 500 defect". Also Clarence Ditlow; Executive Director for the Center for Auto Safety in his statement before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation in Washington D.C., September 20, 2000[2] stated "Emerging Information shows that both Ford and Firestone had early knowledge of tread separation in Firestone Tires fitted to Ford Explorer vehicles but at no point informed the NHTSA of their findings".

Possible causes

The Ford Explorer was first offered for sale in March 1990. Ford internal documents show the company engineers recommended changes to the vehicle design after it rolled over in company tests prior to introduction, but other than a few minor changes, the suspension and track width were not changed. Instead, Ford, which sets the specifications for the manufacture of its tires, decided to remove air from the tires, lowering the recommended pressure to 26 psi. The maximum pressure stamped into the sidewall of the tire was 35 psi; however tires should only be inflated to the pressure listed by the vehicle's manufacturer.

Ford Explorer Ban (model years 2011 and older)

U-haul now rents trailers to Ford Explorers that are 2012 model year or newer. U-Haul previously did not rent trailers intended to be attached to a Ford Explorer. According to U-Haul: "U-Haul has chosen not to rent behind this tow vehicle based on our history of excessive costs in defending lawsuits involving Ford Explorer towing combinations. This policy does not involve safety issues. This is an unusual circumstance for U-Haul." This applies to all production years and models (for example, this ban includes the Ford Explorer Sport Trac) of the Explorer, regardless of tire brand that is attached. This comes from many accidents involving Bridgestone or Firestone tires.
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I have a buddy with an Explorer ---------


--- I won't even park next to it :eek:
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My films showed up today and I'm really excited !

I think I have some very historical footage here and there is nearly 3 miles of it .

I have not had much luck scanning the film but using a magnifying glass I can see some pretty interesting stuff .

I already purchased some bonus footage of a VW bug , a VW bus and a Porsche going through similar handling and rollover maneuvers that may have been part of the original safety hearings . Remember that they compared the Vair to several cars including VW and Porsche .

In addition the guy I bought the films from tossed a short 8mm color film titled "Dummy" driving Corvair . It is too small to see much but it
will be interesting too see once I get it digitized .

Here's a shot from the VW bus film showing outriggers on it to prevent rolling over .
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